Legislature(2013 - 2014)BARNES 124
03/29/2013 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE
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| Confirmation Hearing(s)|| Alaska State Board of Public Accountancy|| Alcoholic Beverage Control Board|| Board of Registration for Architects, Engineers, and Land Surveyors|| Board of Barbers and Hairdressers|| Board of Dental Examiners|| Board of Chiropractic Examiners|| Alaska Labor Relations Agency|| Regulatory Commission of Alaska|| Board of Marital and Family Therapy|| Board of Certified Direct-entry Midwives|| Board of Nursing|| Occupational Safety and Health Review Board|| Board of Examiners in Optometry|| Board of Professional Counselors|| State Physical Therapy and Occupational Therapy Board|| Board of Pharmacy|| Board of Psychologists and Psychological Associate Examiners|| Board of Certified Real Estate Appraisers|| Board of Social Work Examiners|| Real Estate Commission|| Board of Veterinary Examiners|| Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission|| Alaska Workers' Compensation Board | |
| HB167 | |
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ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE
HOUSE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE
March 29, 2013
3:21 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Kurt Olson, Chair
Representative Lora Reinbold, Vice Chair
Representative Mike Chenault
Representative Dan Saddler
Representative Andy Josephson
MEMBERS ABSENT
Representative Bob Herron
Representative Charisse Millett
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):
Alaska State Board of Public Accountancy
Craig Chapman - Kenai
Donovan Rulien II - Anchorage
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Alcoholic Beverage Control Board
Robert (Bobby) Evans - Nome
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Registration for Architects, Engineers, and Land
Surveyors
Eric Eriksen - Juneau
John Kerr - Anchorage
Jeffrey Koonce - Anchorage
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Barbers and Hairdressers
Michael Bolivar - Anchorage
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Dental Examiners
Robyn Chaney - Dillingham
Dr. Mary Anne Navitsky' - Sitka
Dr. Steven Scheller - Fairbanks
Gail Walden - Wassila
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Chiropractic Examiners
Dr. Edward Barrington - Anchorage
Dr. Daniel Holt - Auke Bay
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Alaska Labor Relations Agency
Gary Bader - Anchorage
Daniel Repasky - Anchorage
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Marital and Family Therapy
Linda King - Chugiak
Kennith McCarty - Eagle River
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Certified Direct-Entry Midwives
Sarah Taygan - Chugiak
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Nursing
Hannah Espera - Anchorage
Thomas Hendrix - Eagle River
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Occupational Safety and Health Review Board
Thomas Trosvig - Kodiak
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Examiners in Optometry
Dr. Grant Humphreys - Anchorage
Immanuel Lewis - Anchorage
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Professional Counselors
Anne Marie Brainerd - Fairbanks
Debra Hamilton - Soldotna
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
State Physical Therapy and Occupational Therapy Board
Dr. Darin Bell - Seward
Ruth Kostik - Juneau
Valerie Phelps - Anchorage
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Pharmacy
John Cotter - Fairbanks
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Psychologists and Psychological Associate Examiners
Dr. Kristi Fuller - Anchorage
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Certified Real Estate Appraisers
James Picard - Anchorage
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Social Work Examiners
Zachary Paulson - Palmer
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Real Estate Commission
Eric Bushnell - Wasilla
Nancy Davis - Sitka
Stacy Risner - Fairbanks
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Board of Veterinary Examiners
DeeDee Jonrowe - Willow
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission
David Richards - Eagle River
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
Alaska Workers' Compensation Board
Stacy Allen - Palmer
Bradley Austin - Auke Bay
Pamela Cline - Wasilla
Sarah Lefebvre - Fairbanks
Amy Steele - Anchorage
Mark Talbert - Wasilla
- CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED
HOUSE BILL NO. 167
"An Act relating to the regulation of architects, engineers,
land surveyors, and landscape architects."
- MOVED HB 167 OUT OF COMMITTEE
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):
Regulatory Commission of Alaska
- RESCHEDULED TO 4/5/13
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION
BILL: HB 167
SHORT TITLE: ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, SURVEYORS
SPONSOR(s): LABOR & COMMERCE
03/15/13 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
03/15/13 (H) L&C
03/29/13 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124
WITNESS REGISTER
KONRAD JACKSON, Staff
Representative Kurt Olson
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified during the confirmation hearings
on behalf of Representative Kurt Olson, Chair of the House Labor
& Commerce Committee.
ANNA LATHAM, Staff
Representative Kurt Olson
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented HB 167 on behalf of
Representative Kurt Olson, Chair of the House Labor & Commerce
Committee.
HARLEY HIGHTOWER, Architect
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 167.
RICHARD REARICK, Architect; Chair
Board of Registration for Architects, Engineers, and Land
Surveyors
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development (DCCED)
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 167.
BRIAN HANSON, Professional Engineer (PE);
Civil and Mining Engineer; Chair,
Board of Registration for Architects, Engineers, and Land
Surveyors (AELS)
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development (DCCED)
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 167.
DALE NELSON, Professional Engineer (PE) Civil Engineer;
Chair, Liaison Committee
Alaska Professional Design Council (APDC)
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 167.
ACTION NARRATIVE
3:21:22 PM
CHAIR KURT OLSON called the House Labor and Commerce Standing
Committee meeting to order at 3:21 p.m. Representatives
Josephson, Reinbold, Saddler, and Olson were present at the call
to order. Representative Chenault arrived as the meeting was in
progress.
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)
^Alaska State Board of Public Accountancy
^Alcoholic Beverage Control Board
^Board of Registration for Architects, Engineers, and Land
Surveyors
^Board of Barbers and Hairdressers
^Board of Dental Examiners
^Board of Chiropractic Examiners
^Alaska Labor Relations Agency
^Regulatory Commission of Alaska
^Board of Marital and Family Therapy
^Board of Certified Direct-Entry Midwives
^Board of Nursing
^Occupational Safety and Health Review Board
^Board of Examiners in Optometry
^Board of Professional Counselors
^State Physical Therapy and Occupational Therapy Board
^Board of Pharmacy
^Board of Psychologists and Psychological Associate Examiners
^Board of Certified Real Estate Appraisers
^Board of Social Work Examiners
^Real Estate Commission
^Board of Veterinary Examiners
^Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission
^Alaska Workers' Compensation Board
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)
Alaska State Board of Public Accountancy
Alcoholic Beverage Control Board
Board of Registration for Architects, Engineers, and Land
Surveyors
Board of Barbers and Hairdressers
Board of Dental Examiners
Board of Chiropractic Examiners
Alaska Labor Relations Agency
Regulatory Commission of Alaska
Board of Marital and Family Therapy
Board of Certified Direct-Entry Midwives
Board of Nursing
Occupational Safety and Health Review Board
Board of Examiners in Optometry
Board of Professional Counselors
State Physical Therapy and Occupational Therapy Board
Board of Pharmacy
Board of Psychologists and Psychological Associate Examiners
Board of Certified Real Estate Appraisers
Board of Social Work Examiners
Real Estate Commission
Board of Veterinary Examiners
Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission
Alaska Workers' Compensation Board
3:21:46 PM
CHAIR OLSON announced that the first order of business would be
the confirmation hearings of the appointments to the listed
boards and commission.
3:22:01 PM
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD moved to advance the confirmation of
appointees referred to the House Labor & Commerce Committee to
the joint session of the House and Senate for consideration.
CHAIR OLSON objected.
3:24:59 PM
The committee took an at-ease from 3:24 p.m. to 3:25 p.m.
CHAIR OLSON related the committee will take up the remaining
confirmation hearing appointees and holdover the hearing for the
appointee to the Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA), Mr.
Rokeberg, since members have questions for the appointee who
could not testify due to technical difficulties.
3:25:13 PM
KONRAD JACKSON, Staff, Representative Kurt Olson, Alaska State
Legislature, on behalf of the House Labor & Commerce Committee,
referred to a draft memo dated March 29, 2013. He stated that
the memo from the committee to the Chief Clerk lists appointees
to the Boards and Commissions to which they were appointed. He
said that all the members have had an opportunity to review the
resumes of the appointees and have expressed no concerns with
any of the qualifications of the appointees he is about to read.
3:26:02 PM
MR. JACKSON read the following list of appointees:
Alaska State Board of Public Accountancy
Craig Chapman
Donovan Rulien II
Alcoholic Beverage Control Board
Robert (Bobby) Evans
Board of Registration for Architects, Engineers, and
Land Surveyors
Eric Eriksen
John Kerr
Jeffrey Koonce
Board of Dental Examiners
Robyn Chaney
Dr. Mary Anne Navitsky'
Dr. Steven Scheller
Gail Walden
Board of Barbers and Hairdressers
Michael Bolivar
Board of Chiropractic Examiners
Dr. Edward Barrington
Dr. Daniel Holt
Alaska Labor Relations Agency
Gary Bader
Daniel Repasky
Board of Marital and Family Therapy
Linda King
Kennith McCarty
Board of Certified Direct-Entry Midwives
Sarah Taygan
Board of Nursing
Hannah Espera
Thomas Hendrix
Occupational Safety and Health Review Board
Thomas Trosvig
Board of Examiners in Optometry
Dr. Grant Humphreys
Immanuel Lewis
Board of Professional Counselors
Anne Marie Brainerd
Debra Hamilton
State Physical Therapy &Occupational Therapy Board
Dr. Darin Bell
Ruth Kostik
Valerie Phelps
Board of Pharmacy
John Cotter
Board of Psychologists and Psychological Associate
Examiners
Dr. Kristi Fuller
Board of Certified Real Estate
Appraisers
James Picard
Board of Social Work Examiners
Zachary Paulson
Real Estate Commission
Eric Bushnell
Nancy Davis
Stacy Risner
Board of Veterinary Examiners
DeeDee Jonrowe
Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission
David Richards
Alaska Workers' Compensation Board
Stacy Allen
Bradley Austin
Pamela Cline
Sarah Lefebvre
Amy Steele
Mark Talbert
MR. JACKSON reminded members that members' signatures on the
memo to the Chief Clerk do not reflect the intent of any of the
members to vote for or against any of these individuals during
the joint floor session.
3:28:55 PM
CHAIR OLSON stated that members have been given access to the
resumes and applications of all of the names that were
previously read and if they had questions, members contacted the
individuals directly. He offered his belief the high caliber of
appointees have been put forward and he has not heard any vocal
opposition to any of the appointees. He added that he asked
former Representative Norm Rokeberg to testify, [but due to
technical difficulties he has not been able to testify].
3:29:56 PM
CHAIR OLSON removed his objection.
The committee took an at-ease from 3:30 p.m. to 3:34 p.m.
3:34:52 PM
CHAIR OLSON [said he would advance the confirmations for
appointees referred to the House Labor and Commerce Standing
Committee for consideration to the joint session of the House
and Senate for consideration. He noted that each member's
signature on the committee's report in no way reflects the
member's vote during the joint floor session. There being no
further objection, the confirmations were advanced.
The committee took an at-ease from 3:35 p.m. to 3:37 p.m.
HB 167-ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, SURVEYORS
3:37:17 PM
CHAIR OLSON announced that the final order of business would be
HOUSE BILL NO. 167, "An Act relating to the regulation of
architects, engineers, land surveyors, and landscape
architects."
3:37:22 PM
ANNA LATHAM, Staff, Representative Kurt Olson, on behalf of
Representative Kurt Olson, Chair, House Labor and Commerce
Standing Committee, stated that HB 167 would provide a number of
technical changes to the Board of Registration for Architects,
Engineers, & Land Surveyors (AELS) and provide additional
protection to the public regarding sealing of professional
documents by the design professionals. She provided a section-
by-section analysis of the bill. Section 1 would amend AS
08.48.221 by requiring registrants to sign on the seal when
approving design documents. It deleted the language that would
allow registrants to certify on the face of the document the
extent of the registrant's responsibility for the design work.
Section 2 would add a new subsection to AS 08.48.221 that
requires documents containing the work of multiple fields of
practice to be sealed and signed by a registrant in each of the
fields covered by the document.
MS. LATHAM said that Section 3 would change the exemption for
buildings for residence by not more than four families to not
more than three families. It would add "architect, land
surveying, or landscape architecture" to this section wherever
"engineering" appears. Additionally, it would add language to
the exceptions regarding revegetation or placement of plant
material to require a board determination that the action does
not affect the public health, safety, or welfare. Section 4
would add definitions for "design of minor importance," "shop
drawing" and "field drawing." One of the purposes of a
professional licensing board is to take into account the
concerns of its licensees and serve as a conduit for bringing
those issues to the attention of the legislature. She pointed
out that all of the changes in HB 167 were brought forth by AELS
Board. She highlighted that while most registrants work within
their field of expertise, current statutes suggested that a
registrant is allowed to seal documents that are not in the
realm of the registrant's discipline of licensure if the
registrant certifies of the face of the documents to the extent
of the registrant's responsibility, which has created a loophole
and many problems.
3:39:47 PM
MS. LATHAM explained that the statute was intended to allow
multiple engineering disciplines the ability to stamp the
drawing and indicate the specific portion of the design for
which they were taking responsibility; however, this has been
exploited or misinterpreted to allow design professionals to opt
out of taking responsibility for a large portion of their work.
This has resulted in numerous building code violations the AELS
investigator must review. Currently, the AELS Board has a bill
before the legislature for a full-time investigator, which
passed out of this committee. In 2012, the AELS Board added 490
registrants to its oversight, which has also increased the case
load for the investigator. Thus, now is the time to clean up
the statutes for the board. The only other change in the bill
that raised some questions is in Section 3, page 3 line 14.
This would change the size of residence that requires a design
professional's involvement and will conform to the state Fire
Marshal's regulations, she said. She referred to AS 18.70.080,
which requires the Department of Public Safety (DPS) to develop
regulations establishing minimum standards for fire and life
safety criteria in commercial, industrial, business,
institutional, and other public buildings and buildings used for
residential purposes containing four or more dwelling units. In
accordance with the AELS Board's mission to protect the public's
health, safety, and welfare, this bill seeks to eliminate the
loopholes in current statutes that allow for the misuse of
seals.
3:41:39 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked whether she could identify any
buildings that have had problems.
MS. LATHAM deferred to Harley Hightower, who previously served
on the AELS board for eight years.
The committee took an at-ease from 3:43 p.m. to 3:48 p.m.
3:49:28 PM
HARLEY HIGHTOWER, Architect, introduced himself.
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked whether Mr. Hightower could
highlight some specific building code violations that relate to
numerous health and safety issues and if he could identify any
specific buildings members might be familiar with [in their
districts.]
MR. HIGHTOWER answered that he was unsure of specific buildings,
although he had served on the enforcement committee during his
AELS board service. He recalled when the board reviewed
documents he found some issues, although he said he could not
name them since the cases under review were confidential.
3:50:58 PM
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON asked whether this part of AS 08 that
relates to misuse of seals should have some deterrent or civil
penalty attached.
MR. HIGHTOWER replied that he is not familiar with the penalties
in AS 08 although the board does have guidelines for certain
penalties for certain offenses. The problem the board has had
relates to the difficulty in enforcing these statutes. In fact,
the board is interested in these changes so cases can be
prosecuted, he said.
3:52:30 PM
MR. HIGHTOWER offered his support for HB 167. He said his
support is offered based on his observations during forty years
of practice in the field of architecture in Alaska and eight
years of service on the AELS board. The current statutes are
unclear in terms of use of seals or application of exemptions
relative to the public health, safety, and welfare of the
public, which is not well served. He referred to AS 08.48.221
and noted the most common misuse of seals is sealing of
multiple discipline drawings by the single registrant. Sealing
documents without the proper due diligence and oversight is not
allowed. The change under AS 08.48.331, exemption (6), relative
to three and four plex residences is one that the board
considered as a housekeeping measure consistent with fire
prevention statutes and for clarity. He explained the exemption
for the specialty contractors has been interpreted by some to
allow the practice of engineering by specialty contractors.
Certainly, fire protection contractors who are specifically
educated, trained and certified to design fire protection
systems are presently exempt. Other trades under specialty
contractors are skilled; however, they are not able to design
systems since they do not have the rigors of experience and
examination to design fire systems. The remaining changes under
AS 08.48.281 and 08.48.341 are "clean up" or technical language
to clarify the subject of sealing of design documents. He
concluded that the bill will assist in the enforcement of
statutes to protect the health, safety and welfare of the
public.
3:56:09 PM
RICHARD REARICK, Architect, stated that he currently serves on
the AELS board, but is representing himself today. He offered
his support for HB 167 and echoed Mr. Hightower's statements.
He offered his belief that this bill will serve to clarify the
registrant's responsibility with respect to sealing of documents
and to clarify the extent of the registrant's discipline with
respect to incidental practice. The bill also adds definitions
to AS 08.48.341. These changes are complementary to other
statute changes, he said.
3:57:25 PM
BRIAN HANSON, Professional Engineer (PE); Civil and Mining
Engineer; Chair, Board of Registration for Architects,
Engineers, and Land Surveyors (AELS), Department of Commerce,
Community & Economic Development (DCCED), stated that he
currently serves as chair of the AELS board. He said he is
supporting HB 167, specifically, the language change for AS
08.48.221, related to signing and sealing documents which is
important, in particular, the seal has added significance. He
referred to AS 08.48.221, with respect to signing within the
registrant's field of practice or design work of minor
importance, which he also supports. He has served on the AELS
Board's enforcement committee and during that time the board
took some legal actions. For example, the board has on occasion
had to consent decrees with licensees, who have made
inappropriate statements on a document. He explained that a
registered design professional cannot stamp with his/her
professional stamp and later decide not take responsibility for
the work. He said this is contrary to a registrant's ethics,
due diligence, and public protection. Additionally, some
housekeeping changes are in the bill, which were previously
discussed related to three and four-plex buildings. Thus AS
08.48.341 further clarifies some of these changes. In
conclusion, HB 167 will assist the board and he appreciated the
committee's time and consideration.
4:00:02 PM
DALE NELSON, Professional Engineer (PE); Civil Engineer; Chair,
Liaison Committee, Alaska Professional Design Council (APDC),
stated he has practiced in the state for forty-five years. He
spoke in support of HB 167 on behalf of the APDC. The APDC is a
professional group which consists of memberships of professional
engineers, land surveyors, including American Institute of
Architects, and the American Council of Engineering Companies.
The APDC supports the bill to ensure the health, safety and
welfare of the public and to provide the AELS board with
additional tools to clarify and meet those needs.
CHAIR OLSON indicated he enjoyed working with the AELS Board
since it promotes professionalism and also since it has an
impact on public protection. He thanked the board and
organization for its work.
4:02:20 PM
CHAIR OLSON, after first determining no one else wished to
testify, closed public testimony on HB 167.
4:02:36 PM
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD moved to report HB 167 out of committee
with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal
notes. There being no objection, HB 167 was reported from the
House Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.
4:02:51 PM
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business before the committee, the House
Labor and Commerce Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at
4:02 p.m.
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| HB167 ver U.pdf |
HL&C 3/29/2013 3:15:00 PM SL&C 3/27/2014 1:30:00 PM |
HB 167 |
| HB167 Sponsor Statement.pdf |
HL&C 3/29/2013 3:15:00 PM SL&C 3/27/2014 1:30:00 PM |
HB 167 |
| HB167 Sectional Analysis.pdf |
HL&C 3/29/2013 3:15:00 PM SL&C 3/27/2014 1:30:00 PM |
HB 167 |
| HB167 Fiscal Note-DCCED-CBPL-03-25-13.pdf |
HL&C 3/29/2013 3:15:00 PM SL&C 3/27/2014 1:30:00 PM |
HB 167 |
| HB167 Support Document-Assorted Letters of Support.pdf |
HL&C 3/29/2013 3:15:00 PM SL&C 3/27/2014 1:30:00 PM |
HB 167 |
| Memo to Clerk-members copy- Mar 29.pdf |
HL&C 3/29/2013 3:15:00 PM |
Referral of Appointees to Boards and Commissions |